Bush won, I am worried about China's economic

[ChinesePussy]

OK people, today I woke up very early just to hear the news, coz last night I couldn't stay that late to see who win. :(:(

my man told me, "Bush won" , I woke up does not feel very good about this news.:(

First reason in my mind is "Will China's economic affected by 4 more years of Bush" ? Because I have some investment in China.
Second reason is another 4 more years of WARS. :jedi2: :jedi2: I hate to see more innocent people die. There is no peace when Bush is still there. :jedi2: :jedi2:

But my man said if Ketchup man win, may be it isn't that good for China since the ketchup man wants to cut back those job opportunities that sent to China.

so I want to hear your opinion about China's economic. Will Bush has that much of impact in China ? Good / Bad ??? If Bush continuess the wars more and more , I afraid the whole world's economic is going down not only China.

for the past 4 years , China's economic is growing very well even the war is still going on. So I bet China's economic probably won't get worst for another 4 more years before 2008 Beijing Olympic.

My heart go out to those innocent people was dead during these 4 years of Bush. :grope:

so how do you think people? Should I worry about China's economic for these 4 years comming up? Shoud I or shoud Not ?

Should I be happy or sad if Bush or Kerry win ? :rolleyes:

give some feed back please.

thank you.


p.s my investment in China is nothing relate to American's products . My investment is internal in China not relate to any outside source.

[Cheyanne]

Don't know much about China's economy CP, but I sure wish our economy would get better here... I would like to see those industries that went to China for the tax breaks move back to America and give the American people their jobs back.

[ChinesePussy]

Should I be happy or sad if Bush or Kerry win ? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Cheyanne]

I think you should just be wary and watchful. No matter who should be declared victor.

[cowgirltease]

My heart go out to those innocent people was dead during these 4 years of Bush.
Heyyyyyyyyyyy put blame ^^^^^^^^where it belongs dammit!
Saddam and the Taliban. You know what..... I think us americans are going to worry about "US" first. :rolleyes:
Ignorant people REALLY irritate me.
You don't care about american products then keep your nose out of our business.

[ChinesePussy]

that is true, but the whole world is blaming on Bush, so I am not the only one. :rolleyes:

But my most concern is my investment that is all I care. :)

I think Bush may be better in the long run for Chinese economics. As you know, Kerry is very pro-labor (e.g. he wants to keep all the money inside American borders), and pro-isolationist economy. Probably would raise tarrifs on goods, esp those coming from China (since such a large volume is produced). Bush on the other hand, wants to save the corporation more money, so would't care about outsourcing a few thousand jobs here or there to China.

But the down side is Bush has no concept of foriegn policy. If he got a fortune cookie that said "There will be a major conflict in your life soon", he'd probably go to war. Not to mention, he's also a puppet of Zionists in the US gov't.

And I'm not too sure about Kerry either, given that he's always changing his mind. He said he'll "preserve peace" across the Taiwan strait. In America, "preserve peace" often means go to war,

My heart go out to those innocent people was dead during these 4 years of Bush.
Heyyyyyyyyyyy put blame where it belongs dammit!
Saddam and the Taliban. You know what..... I think us americans are going to worry about "US" first. :rolleyes:
Ignorant people REALLY irritate me.

[cowgirltease]

Answer me this..........WHERE do YOU LIVE? China or AMERICA?

[ChinesePussy]

Answer me this..........WHERE do YOU LIVE? China or AMERICA?

I am living in Canada, but I have my money invest in China. :rolleyes:

[cowgirltease]

I hate to tell you this lady but, wherever you get your information from is not true.
How do you think YOUR country would have handled an attack like we had on 9/11?

[ChinesePussy]

I hate to tell you this lady but, wherever you get your information from is not true.
How do you think YOUR country would have handled an attack like we had on 9/11?

I never think of it, coz I guess it'll never happend to us, but again anything can happend. :rolleyes:

[cowgirltease]

[QUOTE=ChinesePussy]
for the past 4 years , China's economic is growing very well QUOTE]

Soooooooooo what are you worried about?
WE aren't responsible for your economy, other things can happen you know.

[ChinesePussy]

Yeah I guess I shouldn't worry about my money.

But when I think about those dead people, I feel sad! :(


[QUOTE=ChinesePussy]
for the past 4 years , China's economic is growing very well QUOTE]

Soooooooooo what are you worried about?

[lakritze]

Are we now going to squander another four years with the rational for every decission based in the events of 9-11? This is not the way to heal our wounds,but to let them remain open to fester. So Bush wins again.What happened in the short time between the race is neck and neck to the substancial lead? Iam listenening to the reports of the continuing attempts to disenfranchise the black,latino and native american votes.Is the Diebold electronic touch screen working as poorly as predicted? How many of our votes were thrown out or simply not counted? I guess we are expected to just sit and wave our freedoms and democracy good bye.How soon will women loose their right to safe and legal abortions? Already 11 stated hab passed a ban on gay marriages.Two of these states now don't have domestic partners benifits in place. Where will the "war on terror" take us next? Could Cuba be in the wings? There are no doubt some people are smirking at the Bush win,but it is the rest of us and the rest of the world who was counting on Bush and company to lose the election who are the real loosers.Thank you CP for showing your early concern for the fate of our country.There are going to be a lot of us leaving America in discust,expatrioting ourselves to Canada,Europe and elsewhere to view from a distance the dreams of democracy vanishing as an imperial empire arises to take it's place.

[cowgirltease]

Lakritze there have been wars since the beginning of time. It doesn't matter what country you go to. You're not "safe" anywhere now are you?

BTW......CP wasn't concerned about the fate of our country. She clearly stated she was only concerned about her investments.

There are going to be a lot of us leaving America in discust,expatrioting ourselves to Canada,Europe and elsewhere to view from a distance the dreams of democracy vanishing as an imperial empire arises to take it's place.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. :)

[ChinesePussy]

if I answer you I don't concern about Canada , then I am a liar. I do concern about it as well. Because I am living in Canada. I actually do think about other countries as well. I am concerning for the whole world NOT just Canada.


lakritze

great input.!!! :)


Lakritze there have been wars since the beginning of time. It doesn't matter what country you go to. You're not "safe" anywhere now are you?

BTW......CP wasn't concerned about the fate of our country. She clearly stated she was only concerned about her investments.

There are going to be a lot of us leaving America in discust,expatrioting ourselves to Canada,Europe and elsewhere to view from a distance the dreams of democracy vanishing as an imperial empire arises to take it's place.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. :)

[Lilith]

We need to keep in mind that this is an internationally used website and I expect everyone to respect each other's cultures and concerns.

I think it is ridiculous for people here to be nasty and rude to each other over an election. This place is not about that.

It's not asking too much to expect ppeolpe to be respectful.

[OzKristin]

I'm worried about EVERYTHING now that America has made the mistake...again...but hey, it's my own opinion :)

[ChinesePussy]

I am worrying too. Let's pray for good. :rolleyes:


I'm worried about EVERYTHING now that America has made the mistake...again...but hey, it's my own opinion :)

[jseal]

OzKristin,

No matter how bad things may seem, they can always get worse. :rolleyes: Everyone has an opinion, and many of them voted their opinion.


We shall see what we shall see. While we wait, let's have a good time! :wine:

[darogle]

Please permit me my two cents...

CP you asked whether or not you should be happy that Bush got re-elected. I think on some points you answered your own questions. As far as your investments go, as you said, Bush has had a good track record of expanding foriegn trade. Kerry hasn't. You also stated "for the past 4 years , China's economic is growing very well even the war is still going on. So I bet China's economic probably won't get worst for another 4 more years before 2008 Beijing Olympic." Again I fail to see why you would have felt concern over Bush's victory.

Next you mention that "Second reason is another 4 more years of WARS. I hate to see more innocent people die. There is no peace when Bush is still there."
My heart goes out to the innocent that have died also. But let's place the blame where it should lie.There was peace...right up until THE U.S. was ATTACKED. 3000+ INNOCENT people died that day. Innocent people from all walks of life and from countries all over the world. Chinese and Canadian included I do believe. In December of 1941, the U.S. was also the victim of a sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. An attack upon our nation, the same as 9/11. That event also plunged our country into war. The president happened to be a Democrat. Party affiliation makes NO difference in times such as that. Should Bush have stood by and done NOTHING, if only not to be considered some "war-monger" by Liberals??? As to Iraq, Kerry has repeatedly stated he was FOR the war in Iraq (and Afghanistan, I might add). Now as to the innocent people that have died...at whose hands did they die? In Iraq, Saddam Hussein slaughtered his OWN, INNOCENT peoples. This has stopped since he was removed from power. Innocent people are dying in Iraq...at the hands of militant insurgents, mostly identified as non-Iraqi and also as being connected with Al-Quaida. (Remember the 3000+ other innocent people that they killed??) Now I ask you, why should they NOT be stopped??? And with Kerry's incredible ability to flip his opinion on matters such as this, do you think it a good idea to change leadership in the MIDDLE OF A WAR??????? Have there been innocent casualties of war because the US forces have dropped a bomb off target, or by stray gunfire? Yes I'm sure there have been. My heart and the hearts of every other US soldier go out to them. But war is what it is, and there are some things worth fighting for. People die, but let it be for the right and just cause.

Another point on Bush being a war monger. During Bush's term, we have put American soldiers in harm's way in Iraq and Afghanistan. Liberals have decried this as his being only concerned about going to war with little to no concern over anything. Yet Clinton also went to war. Three times in fact. Somalia, (the former) Yugoslavia, and yes...even IRAQ. Clinton's administration ALSO firmly believed Saddam to have weapons of mass destruction, and took (albeit ineffective) means of force against Saddam for doing so. Feel free to count up the number of cruise missle attacks against Iraq that Clinton ordered. Need I even mention the ineffectiveness of the UN, it's sanctions, and repeated appeasement of Saddam???? Were weapons of mass destruction found? No. Did Saddam have ample time to move his caches to Syria or other country? YES. Aside from WMD, did Saddam have weapons he was not supposed to under UN mandate? Again, yes he did. According to the Center for Strategic and International Studies Iraq had "stockpiles of perhaps 650,000 tons of weapons....and as many as 250,000 tons remain unaccounted for". Hmmmm.

[darogle]

Now then...my other two cents....

Lakritze...just because your canidate didn't win, doesn't mean democracy didn't work. I agree that not every decision should be based upon the actions of the 9/11 attacks, but don't you think it imperative that it not be disregarded either? Should the US have sat idly by afterwards?

Also, if you are unhappy at the direction the country is taking, how is leaving going to help solve it. Stay, use your voice and your vote. Lobby. And effect change. Tis the beauty of democracy.

My apologies for those that I may have offended or angered or incited, but this country is something I hold very, very dear. That feeling will not waiver, nor be influenced by whom sits in office. The commander in chief is my commander. I do not fight for politicians, I fight for right, and for my buddy beside me.

[gekkogecko]

Stay, use your voice and your vote. Lobby. And effect change.

If voting could change the system, it would be illegal. If not voting could change the system, it would be illegal.

[osuche]

this country is something I hold very, very dear. That feeling will not waiver, nor be influenced by whom sits in office. The commander in chief is my commander. I do not fight for politicians, I fight for right, and for my buddy beside me.


Now That ^^^^ is something I hope we can all agree on!

((((darogle))))

[BIBI]

CP,

I was just wondering. Are you a Canadian citizen? Just being curious...:)

[osuche]

Now, to answer CP's question....

As someone who regularly does business through China's Waigaoqiao Free Trade Zone, I've very much appreciated China becoming more friendly to international business. If only China's IP and legal processes could be modernized a bit, it would be a perfect place to do business.

I think Bush is in favor of expanded trade...both ways...on the principle that free trade stands to benefit society and create social good. Adam Smith would be proud. :)

You have nothing to worry about, CP.

[Kendall]

My country, right or wrong (MC,RorW). (Kendall does not think this way).

Either a majority of US voters think MC,RoW and they know about the close to 100,000 Iraqi's which have died in the Iraq war or they are ignorant of this fact. And this group just placed Bush back in office. Either way, I'm not proud to be associated with this group.

This is not optimal democracy. Jefferson told us it required a thoughtful, educated electorate.

[Lilith]

He also felt it was perfectly fine to own people. Regardless of how this all has turned out, it's an optimal time to try to reunify the spirit of a nation. I seem to remember a time in history where we were so divided we did not even want to be called a nation....but the Constitution was ratified despite the differences.

[denny]

Is this a dream or am I in pixies?

[jseal]

We all tend to believe that what we believe is correct, no matter what that might be. The polarization which characterized this last election did not appear overnight, nor is it likely to disappear because the election is now past. Nor should it prevent us from enjoying ourselves here. I do believe that there was another federal election recently, one which touched the lives of several of our members, and they all seemed to come through it with no ill effects, although I suspect they did not all vote the same way.

[Lilith]

Is this a dream or am I in pixies?
click your heels 3 times and say, "there's no place like Pixies,there's no place like Pixies, there's no place like Pixies"

[denny]

I knew someone was listening. I'm really not in Kansas anymore, am I? Do you think I could distract them with some BHP?

[maddy]

re-unionization, what a beautiful thought! I had that thought as I skimmed quickly through the announcements made by both Kerry and Bush today... and afterward, the only thing I really retained was... if politicians, and Americans in general could be so darn civil, open, accepting, and willing to work together toward some common goals we would be a much better country for it. It's not possible that you will be able to get the American population (let alone the global population) to come to agreement on every issue, but we all can agree that we treasure things like our rights laid out by our forefathers... and preservation and protection of those rights is important. I think if we spend more time focusing on the common goals and wants... it will be easier to accept and overcome some of the points where we have varying opinions.

I know, it's probably time for me to sleep and step out of the utopia that I think in sometimes. But I truly believe if people could focus the energy they put into disagreement and argument for a cause (hopefully a beneficial cause) this would be a better place to live ... this place we call America.

But, alas I'm nearly completely off topic. It's interesting to me that CP is concerned about how the US election will impact her investment in China, yet we hear all too often from fellow Americans how we need to be HOME focused rather than global focused. I think that whatever the answer is to CP's question is irrelevant (to me) but rather a confirmation to the fact that US is a powerful nation and its actions and leadership have worldly impacts.

And my last rambling point, correct me if I'm wrong fellow pixies, but war happens, has happened before Bush, and will inevitably happen after Bush. To say we are in a war because of Bush and this is his downfall I don't think is completely fair as he certainly isn't the only President that led us there. Not to mention the US isn't the only nation that participates in wars. I'm no expert (and probably should keep my mouth shut for that reason) but I thought that there was plenty of civil unrest, guerilla actions, and other wars happening independantly of the actions the US is part of in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Vigil]

I have been looking forward to a Pixies discussion on the ramifications of four more years - I wasn't expecting it to revolve around CP's unspecified investment in China - but why not.

To add my foreigner's view, I think at home and abroad we share the same apprehension. Namely that I don't feel any empathy to those who put Mr. Bush back in he White House, and I am sure they haven't the slightest interest in me. Whilst I would probably have been a happy fiscal republican under dear Ronnie, the Republican Base under Bush, I find too closed minded to share a table with.

The issue for all of us I think will be how much Bush will concede to a uniquely American sub group who elected him and how this will affect your internal freedoms and our external welfare and OK CP our economies.

I do think though that if Mr. Bush does try to invade anywhere else, he may find the International community polarised against him, and if he tries anything before the UK election next year, he will certainly lose his major ally Mr. Blair as we would vote him out.

[Loulabelle]

Just to add my two cents:

Chinese Pussy asked a question about how a political issue in one country will affect the economy of another because she was concerned about it.

She also expressed her feelings on a war and on a political leader she has her doubts about, since these are issues that do affect her, despite the fact that she had no say in the election.

The fact is, that America being pretty much the most powerful country in the world, the politics there affect everyone, but unlike the Americans we have no say. If only it were a case of 'If you're not American mind your own business' but American politics is everyone's business, whether the rest of the world like it or not, so it's perfectly natural for us all to be concerned about the impact the election has on our lives.

In Britain all we can do is try to vote for a leader who won't behave like America's lap dog in the next General Election, rather than the spineless deceiver who currently asks 'How high?' when America says 'Jump'. If however, Tony Blair remains in power, we too, have another 4 years of George Bush's rule.

[ChinesePussy]

thank you very much guys. You guys gave me a lot of idea. Yup! I can see the answer much clear now. I knew by myself but I want to see how other's opinion on this.

Yes I have Canadian citizinship. I am Canadian for more than 13 years .hehehe :D I love Canada. It is my country now. we contribute a lot of tax money to the country, because it is my country now. :D

[cowgirltease]

Just to add my two cents:

Chinese Pussy asked a question about how a political issue in one country will affect the economy of another because she was concerned about it.



If she would have asked nicely to begin with maybe I wouldn't have gotten my hackles raised. I'm sorry but why is it you people can't talk about our leaders without calling them names like a bunch of children? He is my President and I have respect for my leaders.
BTW...... people I'm a registered Democrat.

[Lilith]

I think when we start dividing the world into "you people" we have stepped over a line here. If we can't have this converstaion with out hurting or pissing eachother off then let's not have it here. Here is Pixies, where all members need to be respectful to all other members. People are entitled to give respect to or not whom ever they choose away from this place. My concern is for you to respect eachother while here.

[cowgirltease]

I agree and what I meant by "You people" is the people who participate in political discussions Lil.

[Lilith]

Cool...I was pretty sure I knew you better than that...glad everyone will understand that too now. I am really worn out from all the politic talk so unless some on has a problem and needs me to peek I'm probably not gonna come in these threads any more. So PM me if I need to look. ((hugs))

[BIBI]

OKAY........

Next case!!! (sorry Lil lol) ;)

[Lilith]

DAMN it!!!!!! I looked :p

[cowgirltease]

Roflmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[BIBI]

...just like a fly to shit eh, Lil?

LOL ;)

[Lilith]

:D I prefer to think moth to the flame :p

I adore you guys!

[WildIrish]

Will you people please.....


















show me your :boobs: ? :D

[BIBI]

:D I prefer to think moth to the flame :p

I adore you guys!

LOL...sorry Lil,
I lost my poetic license a long time ago... :wave:

[BIBI]

Will you people please.....


show me your :boobs: ? :D


:boobs: ...just for you WildIrish!

[jseal]

WildIrish,

I don't usually do this for guys....


...but I'll make an exception for you!


:boobs:

[PantyFanatic]

For you WI. :moon:



Since Lilith is not looking, I know where Aqua is and THINK I’m safe. :rolleyes:

[WildIrish]

For you WI. :moon:



Since Lilith is not looking, I know where Aqua is and THINK I’m safe. :rolleyes:

Don't tease me honey!

[wyndhy]

you guys ^^^^ crack me up!

here ya go WI :boobs: :shake:

and a box to keep lil safe. :D
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l l
l :bfly: l
l______l

[WildIrish]

you guys ^^^^ crack me up!

here ya go WI :boobs: :shake:

and a box to keep lil safe. :D
_______
l l
l :bfly: l
l______l



/me sneaks into the opening in Lil's box. :hot:

[wyndhy]

/me sneaks into the opening in Lil's box. :hot:

(that's what it's there for ...shhhhh)

[Sharni]

Oh i do love a good thread hijacking LMAO

You lot crack me up

[quisath]

I am with Lilith on this ............... Lets Maintain our integrity and remember we are a Family here. Day by Day gang .............. just enjoy every minute you can.