"When guns are outlawed; only outlaws will have them!"Once again;people are not taking responsibility for their actions.While it
is a horrible situation;The gun didn't kill those people!The asshole
that pulled the trigger did.When I had my motorcycle shop;I had a
concealed weapons permit.With the proper training;I think guns are perfectly safe.The trouble is that most people are too lazy to
get the proper training.I'll guarantee you that person didn't have a permit.To get a permit;you have to have;a physic evaluation,an
FBI records check,and they also check with the local police and the
Attorney General.On the other hand;when I owened my shop there;I knew most of the"underworld."If I went looking;I probably;could have bought a Handgun in 3mins.I;used to shoot
handguns competitively and they are perfectly safe.I wouldn't not
have one in my house. Irish
P.S.Be informed before you condemn something!

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Irish, I completely disagree. I've heard the argument before... Guns don't kill people. BS. It was the bullets from those guns that killed every victim there. Take the guns out of the situation and then what would the death toll be? On the coroner's report, what do you think the cause of death will be? I'm betting gunshot wound. As far as a permit goes, when someone is f'ed up enough to go on a killing spree, do you think they care about a permit? Innocent people DIE everyday regardless of proper training and safety classes. I've heard too many news stories of children showing off their parents guns and then, "I don't know what happened, it just went off!" So we end up with another dead child. I will NEVER have a gun in my house. Human life is WAY more important than owning a weapon that is designed and built to KILL. And this society has shown way to often that it cannot handle the responsibilty of owning such a destructive weapon. Call it protection if you want, it's designed to end a life... be it human or animal. I think I've known you long enough Irish, to know I'm not going to change your opinion, but you said youre peace, and I've just said mine. No hard feelings, but we are definitely on opposite sides considering this issue.

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Lilith, can we agree to disagree at least.

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Yes ... of course Scarecrow..... I am being a bossy bitch...love all of you so much I hate to see people become upset with one another....

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OOH, Spank me, Spank me!!!

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Thank you all.
Now thank god the police corrected the number of victims down to 16. But there are still some (around 5) people seriously injured.
They say it was probably an act of revenge. The boy was not permitted to finish school and write the finishing exams because of his bad marks. They say that he hated the teachers.

Reading the discussion above I would like to tell something of my experiences with the amok cases around here of the recent years: At a rather high percentage of the cases they say in the news that the killer had been very interested in guns and usually had had already a collection of guns at home.
I think if somebody is really of this kind it does not matter if the guns are legal or not.
But if guns continue forbidden, and not every second household has a gun in the drawer, it keeps perhaps people away from starting the gun hobby.
I think one massive problem is the fact that we can see comparable things on TV every day. And we can get as much horror, blood and aggressions as we want on video and in computergames. How can you keep an objective view for the life if you are consuming dead people already on breakfast TV?

The dicussion is that difficult because there is no black and no white. I would like to ask you all for tolerating the other´s opinion also and listen what they have to say.

Again, thank you all.

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Well said again Steve!
Especially...

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Aquaman43---Because I respect your way of thinking;I can see no
sense in argueing about things.I would just like to make clear;one
thing;about my childrens upbringing:They were taught;at a very;
young age to treat every gun as if it were loaded.I told them that I had never seen anyone killed with an empty gun.Never point a weapon at someone;unless you plan on shooting them.Never put
your finger in the trigger guard until you plan to shoot.Etc.In the
environment in which;I was around;I saw many altercations;not
happen;because one party knew a gun was present.Not used but
present.I stopped being an enforcer for motorcycle groups because;I didn't think that force was definately the awnser.
Irish
P.S.Different strokes;for different folks!

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well... I started a long reply to this and realized about 1/2 way though that this is one of those things in which opinions are not easily swayed regardless of the discussion that is had.

I'll just throw in my 0.02 and say that, for the most part, I agree with Irish on this one.

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Agree with Irish!!!

before I talk ice cream I just wanted to say that banning guns will only cause those people who intend to kill to find another way to do it (hell if I wanted to I could get directions for making bombs) so what we must do is pay more attn: to our children frends and family and help them through there problems and teach peace and respect only through this will we solve this horible problem...... now has any one ever heard of canadian vanila icecream???

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And that, you know children are the only ones who blush
and that life is just to die

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I Agree With Irish Also!

GermanSteve , My Heart goes out to those Families...

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I have to say I am with Aquaman about this. (tries to hide from Lilith's whip)

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Irish, Aquaman43

Both of you have valid points and opinions for both sides of this argument.
And unfortunatly it is and argument which will continue to be debated for quite some time.

Personally, I was brought up to respect the power of firearms and then can relate to what Irish has to say.

On the other hand, I am LUCKY enough to be apart of a society that took matters to their conclusion after our own "Port Arthur Massacre" and made firearms illegle for the general public.

To be found in the possession of a firearm here, and not being registered to possess such a weapon, AND the weapon not being registered, IS a major F.U.B.A.R.

Although I will agree that this is not a perfect solution, as there will always be ppl whom can bypass the laws governing honest ppl.

It is the fact that we had made a stand, and stated that this will not be tolerated in our society.

Proudly Australian, and free to walk the streets safely.

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